[Speaker 1]

I think this evening's discussion has demonstrated how badly capitalism sucks. It sucks so bad that even its defenders here and in the audience won't defend it. Okay, oh, you know, you want to take people, gunpoint and shove them out of your society because they don't want to be part of your society.

Gee, you don't want to be part of the society. That's your choice. Nobody's forcing you. You want to be part of it? Part of it. You don't want to be part of it? You're not part of it. This is like libertarians trying to create some totalitarian vision, trying to turn libertarianism into totalitarianism. You want to be part of a community? You're part of it.

You don't want to be part of a community? You're not part of it. What the hell is the problem? Okay, now, what we have been hearing is a lot of dancing around the question of where capitalism gets its start and what the whole system is based on. okay it is not the case that what we have is messed up property just because of feudal times and the state there is violence built in to the system okay for reasons that the state was involved but also private interests were involved in a big way landowners throwing people off the land okay these were not feudal lords um you know okay We've heard no condemnation from people who call themselves libertarians of this.

We've heard nothing from them about how to redress this situation. What we've heard is, oh, well, people born in the 1500s were dead, and there's all kinds of problems. And let's just forget about that and accept the status quo, the starting point right now, and given the starting point in which the vast majority of people have no property, you know, personal.

the the Would they be working for capitalists?

Or if you wanted to get something, would you have to not just hire them, would you have to cooperate with them in a community? You like capitalism, a lot of you, because you're on the top of the system. And you think, OK, let's find some way to make it seem that this is just. If people had their own individual property. They would not let themselves be exploited. Okay?

maybe one out of whatever. But back 200 years ago, when Australia was being founded, there was this guy, Mr. Peel. He brought all kinds of provisions. He brought 300 working class people, men, women, and children with him to found this colony. They'd be working for him in Australia. And what happened? They get there, and they say, oh, cool, there's free land.

We're out of here. And he didn't have anybody to fetch his work. water he'd have anybody do anything like that okay so this is what i'm talking about the system is really founded on people who have nothing and they have to work for other people okay this is not justice this is not freedom for the vast majority of people what do you want to do about it Okay, how much more time do I have?

Two and a half minutes. Two minutes? Two and a half. Two and a half, okay. I am not in, you know, you heard that I'm in favor of redistributing things by the sort. I'm not in favor of that. I've been criticizing that throughout this whole talk. How did the class of wage laborers and the class of capitalists who employ wage laborers, how did this get started precisely by redistribution by...

by means of the sword. That's how it started. That's what it's built on. I'm not in favor of that. See, what goes on is, oh, let's forget all that past and given the starting point right now, assume that that's just, and then anything that comes along is a violation and infringement of this great freedom, which is built on the unfreedom of the vast majority of people.

Come on, give me a break. I'm sorry, two and a half minutes now. I have two and a half minutes now. Okay. Okay. Let me see what else I can deal with here. The vast majority of means of production are produced. Sure. So we'll produce our means of production. I mean, even back in the 1500s, they produced means of production. How's that? Well, they raise chickens. And chickens hatch new eggs and that becomes new chickens and so forth.

So you're producing means of production like that. And they produce their own tools and so forth. They were able to innovate. People are different. This is one of the things that I like about your writings, and I like about libertarianism. People are different. So not everybody has to have the same motive in order to innovate. We have a lot of open software and this and that. where people are contributing. It's not always like a profit motive that drives everybody.

So I think we're perfectly capable of innovating without that. One minute. Okay. We hear that there are no economic laws specific to capitalism. In what other system... Did you even have profit? you would have something extra but it wasn't profit. You might have interest. OK? In what other society do you have, as a dominant form, wage labor, where people have to sell themselves in order to survive?

That's specific to capitalism. Economic crises prior to capitalism, were there large-scale economic crises such as a car accident? and recur and recur under capitalism. No, they would have famines, they would have floods. Okay, stop. Thank you.