[Speaker 1]

So my question is directed to Professor Bieland. I didn't hear you disagreeing with Andrew's recitation of Marx's description on how property was unjustly distributed. So, and you said yourself, you like to start from the beginning.

How do we create new initial conditions? We live in a concrete society now. Don't you agree this society has to be transformed into something else? Otherwise you're just, you know, playing simulation games in your mind.

[Speaker 2]

Playing games is fun. Yes, I think you're right. Libertarianism starts with just property. I don't mean only property, I mean justly acquired property. And of course some are interested in going through a land reform or something like that. And I think that the property relations today are unjust and they are derived from feudal times. So they are based off of feudal times.

They're based off of expropriation, much of it by the state. I think the only way of being practical and solving this problem is not to provide power to one or two individuals to distribute property equally to individuals, because individuals probably have unequal claims, just claims.

Rather, it would be to start anew without a state. and let the market take care of it. Because I don't think that... If you don't use your property, you will lose your property in the market. The property is what you earn by serving others. So it will be taken care of very quickly, I think, in the market.