[Speaker 1]

Thank you. I have a question for both of the professors. And suppose that we have your two utopias. We have expropriated the expropriators and we are all abolishing wedge slavery and we have our individual property in the one hand. And on the other hand, we have this little golden gulch where people are greedy bastards, courting geckos in, I think it was, Bieland scenario.

Well, if we have these two scenarios where obviously the state has withered away or been abolished in some kind of other... Basically, who will build the roads? We have this enormous, large-scale project, decades in the making, involving thousands of individuals. And they need to live during the time of building this. How will this be done in your different scenarios? How could this be? I want to get home tonight. Thank you.

[Speaker 2]

Andrew, you want to start? Yeah, what I'm talking about is not a utopia. It actually existed in England prior to the primitive accumulation of capital, the forcible expropriation of the yeoman peasantry. Now, they didn't have large-scale road projects, but you don't need a state to have a large-scale road project. You just need a community.

[Speaker 3]

community. You just need a community and you stay there. I don't really see a problem because entrepreneurs and private interests, they build a lot more expensive and vast things than roads. Every day. What screws them up is the state. So... The reason we have inefficient and bad roads, which you can think about when you travel home tonight, is the state. We would have better roads, maybe flying cars, if we didn't have the state.