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How do you take back property from someone else who already own it?
[Speaker 1]
[Speaker 3]
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[Speaker 3]
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[Speaker 3]
All right. We've been talking a lot about like owning things and how property has been redistributed historically and currently. And you're talking about we have to give back private ownership to the individual. I mean, in our current society, we're not even actually allowed to things. We might own land, we might own property. But at the end of the day, if the state wants it, the state takes it. Like we don't. on anything, at least not here in Sweden. This is actually for both of you guys.
It's been discussed a bit with this. How do you take back property from people when someone else already owns it? I mean, in your opinion, Andrew, I might be misunderstanding you, but from what I'm hearing, it sounds like you want people to, or say workers for example, to be able to take the factory that they work in, or whatever their means of production is. And how do we do that without using force against someone else? And how is that moral, and how is it not moral?
[Speaker 1]
Okay, I mean I hope this can be accomplished without force. It can be accomplished very simply. The expropriators undo their injustice against the rest of us by simply walking away. And then they can go establish their society and pick berries and just leave us alone. Okay, so that's the simple way to do it without force.
If the society is, you have to understand, the society is built at every moment and in every institution, every nook and cranny on force. So, you know, I mean, if you are attacked, is it right to use force? People might disagree, but we are under attack at every moment. There is a state propping up the existing property relations. That is force already.
[Speaker 3]
Yeah, all right, so if I understood it correctly, it's the base... Sorry,
[Speaker 1]
[Speaker 3]
Yeah, but I just want that I understood what he's actually saying, is that if it comes down to it, you're saying that other people should move simply because they have a different point of view than you. I mean, what gives you the right to tell them to get the fuck out and start picking berries in the woods and not you? Thank you. I counted three questions there, but thank you. Thank you.
[Speaker 1]
Okay. I understood your question was directed at both of you. them but should I recant that or? Yeah,
[Speaker 2]
you can do the last one. Okay, you have one minute if you want. I think I partly responded to this as my answer to Emmanuel's question. I agree with Professor Kleinman that any property relation today is based on force, but it's also based on labour. It's also based on just claims, even though the basis might not be fully just, which makes it a really, really difficult problem to solve, and we cannot trace all the way back to original acquisition of property.
That's impossible. You have to start anew somehow. And I think the best way of doing that is to figure out who serves humankind best. That is the market. By producing to satisfy other people's needs. So I think within probably 10 or 20 years in a completely free market, you would have the resources in the hands of those who are best at serving others.