[Speaker 1]

First of all, thank you very much. So a question to Professor Kleiman. So let's say given an expropriation of the expropriators and return to individual property, as I understand it, you meant that after that we could have voluntary exchanges between two parties. But you also said there could be third parties that are affected by this.

So according to their subjective... and how much it's affecting a third party. I know Per would say that you cannot apply force to the third party and then it's fine if it's voluntary between the two parties. But the third party, his subjective feelings, on what ground are you basing that and what are the criteria for this?

[Speaker 2]

Okay, third parties are often affected, I think like regularly affected. I was not advocating in a new, you know, communal socialist society voluntary exchange whereby you give up your rights to property and you alienate them to somebody else and you go work for them. No, I'm not in favor of that. I'm in favor of people who believe in that, being allowed to advocate that, and I urge them first to get behind the project of expropriating the expropriators to return us to a more just starting point and then begin to advocate that. Maybe people will want to listen more.

[Speaker 1]

Yeah, but given that we have done that...

[Speaker 2]

Okay, given that we've done that,

[Speaker 1]

then... Or are we allowed to trade voluntarily between two people without a third party interfering?